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Thread: Horsepower in a akra built clone

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    Horsepower in a akra built clone

    Just wondering what the rough averages on the Dyno for akra build clone thanks!

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    Depending on who's Dyno it is on and how much numbers are fudged to sell the engine. My Dyno is calibrated to a predator engine at 3600 RPM to determine accuracy. My engines are in the high 12 to low 13 h.p.
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    gotcha thanks!

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    Same here we use the predator also to set ours
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    My engines are in the high 12 to low 13 h.p
    So about the same as the best Animals. So why not let the play too?

    DK

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    I wish they would bring back the animal! That was a great powerplant.

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    Plenty of Animal classes still running here in central Pa.

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    Next to none here in Indiana

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhiner26 View Post
    I wish they would bring back the animal! That was a great powerplant.
    Short memories.
    Folks seem to forget how quickly the animal went to a $1600- $1700 motor back when WKA still had their dirt series.

    Say what you will about the clone, if you've got a little mechanical aptitude, and a 4 jawed hone to true up the bore, all you have to do is get a set of low tension rings and call the man to buy a $375 kit, if he's not too busy making kits for a lot more motor builders than will ever admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Evans View Post
    Short memories.
    Folks seem to forget how quickly the animal went to a $1600- $1700 motor back when WKA still had their dirt series.

    Say what you will about the clone, if you've got a little mechanical aptitude, and a 4 jawed hone to true up the bore, all you have to do is get a set of low tension rings and call the man to buy a $375 kit, if he's not too busy making kits for a lot more motor builders than will ever admit it.
    Bob.... that is exactly what I tell them about the predator... with the world of information that is several key strokes away and with the help of people like that are on forums such as this... you can be very competitive with less than $250-$400 in an engine.. $100 of that is a flywheel that should be good for about forever... I do my own heads, carbs, blocks, set all my clearances... degree my cams all for basically free... $15 for a set of really good valve springs, $10 worth of gaskets and a $50 cam... everything else is just labor and time... getting the friction out... one other class we run allows a billet rod... so add $60 we are limited to 10.8 springs small base circle cams 28cc and 26cc chamber... .260 @ the retainer stock bore, stock stroke, stock rocker, .615 carb (pretty simple set of rules) any tires, gas or race gas, no methanol ... yes there are people that buy engines... most don't we are as fast as anyone and faster than most... learning as we go... we run 2 karts different classes and have a spare engine ready in the trailer for both... and i know I have less than $800 in all 4 engines (used and traded for parts)... way too many rules with clones... no tracks run them around here... way too many rules and all these officially trained tech guys make the sport NOT FUN and alot more expensive than it needs to be... but then we run for less than $100... the pits are full and people are having fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don K View Post
    So about the same as the best Animals. So why not let the play too?

    DK
    As I've said before, give the clone the same size carb as the animal, give it meth like the animal, give it the same cam lift, and the same valve spring pressure. I expect most would take all that and not even complain about the extra 16cc the animal has.

    I suppose the Chinese could have copied the Briggs as easily as they copied the Honda, but they didn't.
    Since Dan retired, motorsports has been all about sucking up to sprint racers, and the old guard sprint racers don't even like 4 strokes that much.

    But, what can you do? As much as I hate this phrase- it is what it is. We can't go back, but it would sure be nice if someone could figure out a way forward.

    JMO

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    We can't go back but we can look back with eyes wide open and learn, then there are plenty that could figure out a way forward, but the key to it would be everyone sticking together keeping things uniform, there in lies the problem why it will never happen because everyone knows best.
    Heck it took 6 yrs for the two major series around here to allow the transponder pouch to be mounted at the same place.

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    Why not run methanol on the clones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhiner26 View Post
    Why not run methanol on the clones?
    Why run methanol in the clones?

    Actually any track that chose to do so, could allow methanol in the clones.
    Also, running methanol, runs up the cost of racing.

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    Methanol is easier to police. Smell, color and water test go a long way to keeping things fair.

    DK

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    If you think your engine costs are out of control, its not uncommon in the UK for front running GX160 honda cadet motors for 8-12 year olds to change hands for 3000 to 5000, and these are just select part motors!

    The same is now happening in the 50cc 2-stroke bambino class for 6 to 8 year olds...…4000 for a elect part weed-whacker engine is now becoming rather common

    Its gone beyond a joke, but as the old saying goes: something is worth what someone is willing to pay.....

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