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    Economical Scales

    I remember some time back before the site crashed that there were some affordable scales available (not racing scales necessarily) I believe they may have even been some type of digital postal scale. They had like a 12"x12" pad and were supposedly very accurate. If memory serves, you could get them on E-Bay among other places for like $50/set ($200 total). Anyone know what I'm talking about and/or have any experience with them? Nothing against racing specific scales like Rebco or Intercomp, but I just am not convinced that they are necessary. I mean, a pound is a pound. To me, the scales being level in relation to one another is FAR more important than the brand of scale. And as far as figuring the percentages, I have a calculator. We used to have a program on the laptop where you could just key in the weights and it would figure them. Can't remember the name but I'm sure it's still floating around out there somewhere.

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    I don't remember the price , but yes they are postal scales and alot of people use them for karting . You just have to make sure you get the right weight capacity scales .

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    we use weighmax scales, they are perfect, There are free apps for both Iphone Iraceweigh and android garage buddy, that have corner scaling applications. We initially borrowed and paid people to scale our stuff, now, I have a total of around $250 invested in scales and a stand and can scale our karts every week.
    Here is a link to the kind I use
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEIGHMAX-150...item46111908ff

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    what a pain in the butt to just numbers everytime you move something. you would need to enter in all 4 corner weights everytime you changed lead around. spend the extra $150 and buy some used scales
    Last edited by DynoDon; 07-12-2018 at 06:33 PM.

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    We have been doing it for the season, It really takes all of 20 seconds to move numbers on my phone , with me at the front of the kart and my wife in the rear, she reads them out, done. If I had a larger budget then yes, racing scales, but your looking at $600-1500 for them. For me , I got these and some fresh new rubber. Money better spent at the time for us.

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    Paul Kish found an interestind solution and posted it shortly before the crash. You might PM him.

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    I have a set of scales. They have a program that you can put on your computer to enter all your weight data for your calculations. $200.00 plus shipping. There four separate units, stainless steel, and didital.

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    I have an Excel 2010 spreadsheet with a corner weights page. You’re welcome to it. Lots of really good stuff. You can enter the percentages, Front, Left and Cross, and it will show you what the corners need to be, or, enter the corners and it will tell you what the percentages are.
    It shows so much information, it may be too complicated for most.
    Other stuff, 15 pages total, all for karting.
    Comments, compliments, criticisms and questions always welcome.

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    kart smart is another easy to use program that figures out all the percentages for you. download it for free on your computer

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdsax View Post
    what a pain in the ass to just numbers everytime you move something. you would need to enter in all 4 corner weights everytime you changed lead around. spend the extra $150 and buy some used scales

    I don't know about you but I haven't seen to many used sets of racing scales for 300 bucks and if I did I would think twice about buying them

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    those weigh max scales are $200 roughly if you buy new. I was able to find someone upgrading from them to regular kart scales and picked them up here on bobs for $80, then paid $80 for a good home made scale stand. Used kart scales for $300, I would be careful. They may be fine, but that seems way too cheap for a $1500 set of scales.

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    Weighmax scales

    We have been using the Weighmax scales for several years now. The scale part is ok - the metal is a little thin so the weight can be off if the tire isn't exactly centered on the pad, and they dent up pretty easily, but they seem to be accurate. The problem we have found is the plastic control unit. Each season one scale seems to go bad - the little led display just shows all 8s across the screen, so you can't read anything or use the scales. So each season we spend another $50 to replace one scale. So it's pretty cheap initially, but it adds up over time. I wouldn't spend $1000 on scales, but if you can find a used set for under $500 I would go for it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Jaynes View Post
    I remember some time back before the site crashed that there were some affordable scales available (not racing scales necessarily) I believe they may have even been some type of digital postal scale. They had like a 12"x12" pad and were supposedly very accurate. If memory serves, you could get them on E-Bay among other places for like $50/set ($200 total). Anyone know what I'm talking about and/or have any experience with them? Nothing against racing specific scales like Rebco or Intercomp, but I just am not convinced that they are necessary. I mean, a pound is a pound. To me, the scales being level in relation to one another is FAR more important than the brand of scale. And as far as figuring the percentages, I have a calculator. We used to have a program on the laptop where you could just key in the weights and it would figure them. Can't remember the name but I'm sure it's still floating around out there somewhere.

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    amazon looks like they have a good one for $35 https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Weigh-S...t+for+packages

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandaidmd View Post
    amazon looks like they have a good one for $35 https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Weigh-S...t+for+packages
    Been using those for a couple years. Nothing bad to report, other than they shut down after a couple minutes to save the battery.

    I use on the floor, so have 4 pieces if 3/4 plywood to roll off onto to reset scales. Been really repeatable.

    I got an aluminum case from Menards, or harbor freight to store them in. that in itself may save them.

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    lol thats the issue i have with the ones i have now (seems like seconds not minutes) . i haven't done the roll off reset trick yet but will be next time i just had my helper pick up the corner to reset it. .

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    My other trick is to put a piece of .080 plastic on top of each scale to keep the tires from binding the scale up. Not sure it is necessary, but I like the idea.

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    you should try my Excel spreadsheet. It's free. Email anunley@austin.rr.com all you have to do is put in the total weight and corner weights and it'll tell you what percentages you have. Put in the total weight and the percentages and it will tell you what your corner weights need to be. It's really simple.
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    thanks Alvin i will try it.

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    Thank you Alvin,it’s much appreciated!!!

    Johnny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alagang View Post
    Thank you Alvin,it’s much appreciated!!!

    Johnny
    What really surprised me is how many people made disparaging remarks about the cross percentages. Rear left wheel versus right and front left wheel versus right. The animosity was overwhelming. A little piece of information that everybody got mad about. And what also surprised me was the spread of numbers that I saw. The percentage difference between the right rear and the left rear went from somewhere near 40%, all the way to over 200%. I thought to myself; "why would something that varies so much be something you wouldn't want to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin l nunley View Post
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    What really surprised me is how many people made disparaging remarks about the cross percentages. Rear left wheel versus right and front left wheel versus right. The animosity was overwhelming. A little piece of information that everybody got mad about. And what also surprised me was the spread of numbers that I saw. The percentage difference between the right rear and the left rear went from somewhere near 40%, all the way to over 200%. I thought to myself; "why would something that varies so much be something you wouldn't want to know
    Because its not anything important in karts and just confuses new people coming into the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo Tire Treatments View Post
    Because its not anything important in karts and just confuses new people coming into the sport.
    Agree Earl, but AL doesn't care it's useless information and confuses new racers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX#40 View Post
    Agree Earl, but AL doesn't care it's useless information and confuses new racers.
    That's a very insulting statement to put on a public board. I'm severely offended!! Unlike you, I do not talk down to anybody. You assume you know what confuses new people coming to this sport, I assume nothing, I just tell it like I know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin l nunley View Post
    That's a very insulting statement to put on a public board. I'm severely offended!! Unlike you, I do not talk down to anybody. You assume you know what confuses new people coming to this sport, I assume nothing, I just tell it like I know it.
    When did you start not talking down to people???? You do that with nearly every one of your post's and then get upset when someone does it back to you. C'mon, get on one side of the fence or the other....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tecbigdog View Post
    When did you start not talking down to people???? You do that with nearly every one of your post's and then get upset when someone does it back to you. C'mon, get on one side of the fence or the other...…….
    Interesting that you consider my post as talking down to people. I consider it talking "up" to people. I've been told many times to keep it simple, because these newbies, apparently, can't understand me, at least that's what I'm told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95 shaw View Post
    Been using those for a couple years. Nothing bad to report, other than they shut down after a couple minutes to save the battery.
    Shaw, does it still auto shutoff when you have it plugged it rather than running off the battery? The description says it can be powered by usb

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    the ones they list now say you can have them auto shutoff or regularly switched off/on maybe they updated them. since shaw bought his. Mine are not package scales there direct read electronic bathroom ones. I might get the ones with the moveable readout if they can remain on.

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    Mine are battery only. Not aware of any option to switch on and off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin l nunley View Post
    That's a very insulting statement to put on a public board. I'm severely offended!! Unlike you, I do not talk down to anybody. You assume you know what confuses new people coming to this sport, I assume nothing, I just tell it like I know it.
    Heres how to not get offended, stop posting your useless drivel
    AL I do know what confuses new people, its your useless front and rear %, you have been told by the best setup guys on this board and you continue to do it,
    I just tell it like I know it.
    Please Al since you tell it like you know it, what does front and rear % mean and what adjustment does it tell you to make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin l nunley View Post
    That's a very insulting statement to put on a public board. I'm severely offended!! Unlike you, I do not talk down to anybody. You assume you know what confuses new people coming to this sport, I assume nothing, I just tell it like I know it.
    I can assure you when you show rear cross it confuses some, I've gotten calls about it before guy's asking this was before you were allowed back.

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