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Old 10-28-09,, 09:32 PM
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UAS announcement

Eric posted it correctly so I removed mine.

To get to the point, I have a problem with this.
The administrators were given a deadline. They voted. This is not what they voted on. Based on my talk with Mark, on the phone, he stated only two administrators wanted to stick to their original vote. Mine was never asked so how he got that number is unknown.

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Dang Grady at least put the spaces in lol Just picking.

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It has come to my attention that there are a couple of matters that I need toclarify for the good of UAS racing across the country. Although I have notspent much time lately on any internet forums, I have spent A LOT of time onthe phone and through e-mail with many of the administrators. Additionally,Eric Rector has provided extremely valuable assistance in calling many of youabout your opinions about some of the hot issues in the UAS and he and Icommunicate a lot. Through those discussions I have come to learn that thereis a feeling among the administrators that they would be more comfortable withme taking on more of a role as a benevolent dictator on some issues. Furthermore the majority of the administrators would vote differently on one ofthe most controversial issues since they learned more about that issue. Ofcourse that issue isthe weight for the Wankel engine. With those factors in mind, I am issuing anexecutive directive that the following wording will be the rule as it is to beprinted in the 2010 Rule book and listed on the official UAS web site. Therule WILL BE as follows;

“2. F. Single Rotor Rotary (Wankel) Engines. 295 cc maximum displacement. Engine must be normally aspirated. No nitrous oxide, fuel injection or forcedair induction, otherwise no limit to modification. The exhaust system of allWankel engine powered karts must be completely wrapped with heat insulating tape.

Minimum weight will be determined by the formula 135 lbs plus 1 lb per cc. (notethat a 295cc engine would weigh 430 lbs)

Competitors entering a UAS race with a Wankel engine will be required to provideliterature from the manufacturer that positively identifies the engine andclearly indicates the displacement.”

I am making this ruling with the full knowledge that some will not like it andprobably tear me up on the forums or call or e-mail me expressing theirdisgust. I will just have to accept that and realize it just goes with theterritory of the position that I am in .Others will love it and most just won’tcare. Whatever your position is on the issue, please be assured that I havemade this decision only after considering the issue from every perspectivepossible. Please understand that one of the original intentions of the UAS isto provide a unique racing program that allows the most freedom to innovate asis safe and practical. I stated in an article once that the UAS will be wherethe karts of the future are developed. That has been one of its purposes sincethe beginning and I see no reason to change now. That means some of us willneed to step up our game. That’s no different than what I demand of mystudents at my teaching job every day.

Please note that I wrote the rule as a formula and not a flat weight across theboard. That is because I am aware that there are other smaller displacementrotary engines being produced for karting and racers should have the freedom touse them at a lower weight since they have less power potential. If I had themoney to invest, I would look into becoming an importer. This is a greatopportunity for those with the means to take advantage of it.

Another important issue that needs to be clarified concerning national vsregional points and how that relates to “local options” that someadministrators are considering to keep the people in their home regions happy.Since the regional series points are now separate from the national points, Isee no reason to mandate that a region can not alter weights and some otherpolicies for the purpose of increasing local participation. With that said, Ido not think it is a wise idea for an administrator to stray very far from thenational rules. Such decisions will discourage competitors from traveling tothose regions from time to time and it could diminish the creditability of thatregion, however, I will leave that decision up to the various administrators whoare mandated to make UAS racing as much fun as possible for the people in theirhome region first and foremost. If an administrator chooses to include somelocal options he must make those options un-mistakably clear in the internetforums, web sites and other advertising. I absolutely do not want to hear anyreports of a UAS racer who conforms to national rules driving hundreds of milesonly to be turned away because of a local option that he did not know about. Onthe other hand, the racer should call the administrator prior to traveling to besure that he will be welcomed.

Since I received a mandate from the administrators to be the administrator forthe national program I am mandating the following:

LOCAL OPTIONS WILL NOT APPLY TO MULTIREGIONAL EVENTS THAT ARE TO BE COUNTED FORNATIONAL POINTS. For those racers competing for the national championship itis vital that every one competes for that title racing according to the samerules.

For a Multi-Regional event to count for national points it must be runaccording to the national rules as written.

I am recommending that administrators make their multiregional events count fordouble points for their regional series as well to make sure that the event iswell attended. The real possibility of a large field attracts racers from faraway regions. With the exception of the Indoor National Race being held inconjunction with the Big Show, drivers do not need to be UAS members to race ina multiregional but they do have to be members to get national points.

As far as I’m concerned, that is the final word on these issues. They have beenbeat into the ground enough and those who care about the issues one way oranother have fully expressed those opinions over and over. WE NEED TO MOVE ON.As an American citizen, you of course have the right to free speech but peoplealso have a right not to pay any attention to the person speaking if they don’twant to. I no longer will entertain any further discussion on these issuesother than further clarification if any more is necessary.

I hope many of you are planning on attending the BIG SHOW. I have found it tobe very refreshing working with Tony Barton. The Big Show will help a lot inbringing The UAS to the attention of the general public, which is another oneof the goals of the UAS from day one. By the way, there are a couple of thingsI asked Tony to correct on his web site and he assured me that he will bechanging the minimum age listed to 18 with a statement like prior UASmembership required to enter this event. Be sure to be at the Big Show whereUAS Muscle Karts will be the featured attraction.

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Old 10-28-09,, 10:00 PM
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I think Mark forgot about the Sachs model 303, I believe it is 297cc. There are many of these engines sitting on the self and I know there are 11 that were sold to kart racers in upper OH 2 years ago when I was thinking about that possibility. So now we have the hottest technology with limited availability, nothing can go wrong now.
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Mike you might want to check with Wolfey again cause he and I did talk about this issue. I talked to all but I believe 2 voting administrators. 1 voted for 425 and the other voted 450.

All Regional Administrators were either for a 430 Wankel vote or were willing to go with the Majortiy vote. Wolfey was one that said he would go with the Majority (there were 3 that said this.

As with some rules in the past 450 lbs was a knee gerk reaction to internet posting. several of the administrators that voted for 450 told me that they either have never seen the Wankel run or have not talked to anyone that has actualy seen it run.

Maybe 450 is where we need to be in the end but slapping 50 lbs on ANY engine is crazy. If 50 lbs is to much IMO it will be hard to back down from it.

Also we have engines that are allowud in 2010 that have much more HP and torque than the Wankel and they will only have to weigh 430 lbs.

If you want to be ticked at someone over this then let it be me. I stired the hornets nest after the vote and brought to lite that the administrators had minimal communication with each other prior to voting and several admited that they did not feel that they had the knolage of some of the issues to vote accuratly.

When I told Mark that I had contacted the administrators I got in trouble and he was totaly aginst the change. several of the administrators then contacted Mark to state that if they had the vote to do over they would have changed the vote.

THe vote was bad and the Executive Director has used his power that many have wished he would use and corrected what was deamed to be to harsh of a rule change for a single year.
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I think Mark forgot about the Sachs model 303, I believe it is 297cc. .



I disagree Brian. If you want to run it then provide proof from the manufacturer of the CC's. If it is 297 then it will have to weigh 432.
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Old 10-28-09,, 10:34 PM
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Eric,
I just talked to him. You are confused. Not only that, you should have NEVER have been making the calls after the vote. You are undermining the whole intent of having a VOTE.

I would like to add, you are right, many haven't seen it run. They haven't seen it outqualify the entire fied by 0.8 secs. They haven't seen it lap the entire field. NO ONE on here knows how to judge it. No one on here has seen what that engine can do. Stating that adding 50lbs is too much is arbitrary because what if the old weight was way off. When you have the information available that allows you to compare two engines, acceleration wise, then you can make an educated guess. Until then, it is an uneducated guess. I have talked to several people with knowledge of these engines. Did you know that the importer will modify your wankle for nearly $1500? You have been basing your thoughts on an engine that you have NO IDEA what it can really do because how much do they sandbag when they are lapping the field?

The administators have been taken adantage of. They were sent a "recommendation" e-mail before they even voted and they still voted for the 444lbs. They had the chance to decide. They were given a cut off date. Their vote was not respected. They are being man handled and for that, I lost respect for the process and the two main people involved.......you and Mark. It is wrong.

Yes, I know my opinion doesn't matter to you. You both are much more knowledgable than me and those that voted for the 444lbs. Let's see, who of you knew anything about the wankle, including tech?

You had a balance that was just right to keep all but two areas on the national rule format. One of those was Stoffa and the other was the area that brought it to the UAS. I have nothing against them or the wankle. I want a level playing field......engine to engine, weight to weight. That is all I wanted. A level playing field promotes the willingness to join the game.....a willingness to stay in the game. They have the right to vote for what they want, no matter the reasons. They got a vote. This vote had a clear majority that YOU wanted to see changed. Why do you want that change, because you think adding 50lbs is too much? Do you know the acceleration capabilities of this engine, based on the laws of phyisics? If the answer is NO.....and you I both know that is the case, then your assumptions are just that, pure uneducated assumptions. You based your feelings and actions on something other than FACTS.

The wankle is a GREAT piece bone stock. The performance gain is better than nearly any other engine out there from stock to modified......and they haven't even dug down yet.

This isn't about who is right and who is wrong.....this is about what is right and what is wrong. The process was abused. That is wrong!

I have said everything I think that needs to be said from me. You won't see me post on this again unless I get my acceleration information. It serves no positive purpose.

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O.k. I will call it here Wolfey is lieing to you and I will call him and tell him that also if need be. The bottom line is you are right I don't know much about the Wankels.

I do however know more than most of the administrators that voted on the subject. A vote based on internet crying is not legitement and I am disapointed in the administrators that voted on the issues without finding out any facts.

You lost respect for me??? fine You have more respect for administrators that vote on subjects without any knolage of the issue? fine

You are still invited to KUAS events and I will stay away from the APUAS races so I can't taint the integrety of your region
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Old 10-28-09,, 11:30 PM
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WRECIT...... Would you ask mark if a NEW administrator(less than 1 year)will be able to ban the wankle in his region???????????? IF SO CAN I BE A ADMINISTRATOR?????????? RICK I also thought 295 cc was max.....
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No one else likes you either Rick, Now your money is another story lol. Just Picking.

Actualy last I heard you guys have someone steping up to give the mid west a shot (God help him lol) If it doesn't work out give Mark a call and tell him you are all he got.
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How about 255cc 2cycles and 510cc 4cycles with over head cams are they legal in the American Karting Series????
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Erick, I have had 1 conversation with you.1 only and not conserning the
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O.k. Ron then who did I talk to right after getting off the phone with Grady that night? They claimed to be you returning my call? Hey I don't know your voice so maybe it was someone poseing as you. I believed the person to be you. If you say it wasn't then we are at an impass.

Of the 13 voting administrators (Counting Charlie in Tri State who abstained) after a 5-10 minute conversation only 3 administrators (counting you) felt that 450 was a fair weight and 1 of the 3 stated that they have a wankel run in their region and all karts are equal under the 2009 rules and the wankel is not running away with the races there.

I got a PM from an administrator repremanding me for my negitive comments about the administrators voting without reserching the issues. After sleeping on it and considering his comments maybe I was a little blunt but I do put the responsibility for all voting, good or bad, solely on the administrators sholders. There was a definate lack of communication among the administrators. desisions on this item were made by several stgrictly by what they read here on Bobs.

4cycle.com is a great refrence for karting. It is also a place where loud mouth morons (of which I am one) come here to complain about precieved injustices in the karting world.

As admins we (myself now being part of this group) are taking on a responsibility to run our region to the best of our ability. we are further tasked to assist with the national orginization. If you are unable or unwilling to assist the national orginization then you should be up front about it and respectfuly decline your ability to vote on national issues.

When voting on national issues we as admins need to take Bobby Baldwins lead. He stated that he would be voting on each of the proposals keeping in mind the good of the entire UAS not just the Empire region.

Am I an idiot? Heck yes

So take it for what it is worth. Not a dang thing.
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I disagree Brian. If you want to run it then provide proof from the manufacturer of the CC's. If it is 297 then it will have to weigh 432.


So Eric. if I run a 257cc 2 stroke and add 2 pounds that will be legal? If I decide to run dual Sudams and weigh 480# that would be legal. The engine I am refering to was built in 1970 where will I be able to get proof? How about just cc the motor? What if I show up with a Rotamax or a Makotrac or a Revolution and say here is the brochure that says it is 294cc but I have a 650cc? What if I buy a NRV and split it, how am I going to show it is a 294cc when it really is. You are trumping the National office when you post this stuff and nobody knows what to believe. You havent seen one of these things run and niether had I until LVMS. Let me tell you it changed my opinion very quickly. When everything is right watch out, I am not sure a CR250R will be able to run with this thing. Maybe if the big 4 strokes can hook up the torque they will be able to run one down but at giving up reliability and drivability to do so. The more I look the more I find and the more creative I can be. When I have friends that are capable to do some of the things we dream up there wont be literal proof. I built it for kart racing you prove it illegal by the rules.
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I was mistaken Brian. I thought you were mentioning a made for karting wankel. If not made for karting then no it wouldn't be alowed because I think I remember the rule stating that the wankel had to be made for karting. AS far as I am reading the rule there has not been a max cc set to the Wankels yet to allow for others to be considered at this time. Maybe I am wrong but to tell you the truth I am sick of being to one to call Mark. Why don't you step away from the keyboard and make a call to get this clarifyed for us.

Any as far as not seeing one of these super wankels run you are right I haven't. Oh wait a minute who was it that videoed the winter nationals where Matt Hope beat Robby Yow with a 4 stroke???? Brian who was that guy???
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WRECIT..... When Marks new rules say 295 max cc HOW CAN YOU OVER RIDE HIM AND TELL BRIAN JUST ADD 2 LBS. JUST WHO IS MAKING THE RULES. IF HE SAYS MAX CC IT SHOULD MEAN JUST THAT.....................RICK SULLIVAN
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Banning anything in the rules as an ADMINISTRATOR is Just retarded! Or changing weights or any other thing that somebody wants to do. If anything, the only thing an administrator should be allowed to do is to let something run that is in the rules.!

Some of the rules may not be right, but as many people that are getting involved, they never will be to everybody. But you know what? they are THE RULES.. Either Play by em, or find something else to do. JMO

Its just to easy to take your ball and go home, and it seems alot of people would rather just do that! Theres nothing wrong with geting beat, and by the looks of things, some people need it a little more often
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That is another thing, how many of these engines were made for karting, any of the Briggs305's, Honda390, YZ250, RMZ450? So to outlaw an engine because it wasnt built for karting orginally is UN-UAS.
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O.k. Rick thanks for pointing that out to me. I guess I need to brush up on my speed reading. I did not see the word maximum. Brian I apoligize for speaking out of turn on this one.

I promise to read everything 5 times from now on before replying. Off to finish carving pumpkins.
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Wrecit......... would you please find out if a 1st year admin can decide if the wankel is banned in his regon...and can they change their mind after 1 2 or 3 races in their regon... thank you RICK SULLIVAN 217 871 4452
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Is there a UAS in Illinois? Didn't you ban the Wankle in your nonUAS series Sullivan??? why are you always sticking your nose in on UAS afairs if you don't believe in the series and your running you own spec class.

Montgomery you want one of these other Wankle's? buy one present it to the UAS and see if you can get it approved. We had to to that process for the 255/510 engines. I bought a 450 before they were UAS legal. put your money up.

I owned one of those Sachs wankles back in the 70's they were heavy air cooled and no barn burner. buy one. mount that chunk on the side of your super seat and have fun.
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Tim, I'm Having A 5 Race Series At One Track, If It's Any Of Your Big Mouth Business. Just Stay In New York And Florida. I Love The Uas And What It Used To Stand For. You Guys Are Trying To Change Everybodies Engine Package All Because Of The Wankel And Your Dumba$$ Thinks It's O.k. Look At The Economy. People Will Not Change Their Motors, They Will Just Quit Racing. I'm Trying To Look Out For 3rd Place On Back, Who Will Not Get On Here And Fight For The Good Of The Unlimited Allstars. It's A Rule, The Wankel Is Here For 2010. I'm Trying To Get It Changed For 2011. How Many Hours Do You Have In That Big Unproven Lead Sled Of Yours? All This Because Of 6 Wankels, No Wait 7. I Plan On Attending More Uas Races Than We Ever Have. If You Think You And Your Bad Attitude Are Good For Uas Racing You Better Think Again. You Aren't Any Different Than Paul Doss Only He's Smarter. You Have No Idea How Much Money I've Put Towards Uas Racing In Sponsorship. Rick Sullivan 217-871-4452
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Actually Rick we here in Florida added the big engines before the Wankle not becouse of it, We did so becouse more and more guys were trying to build twin engine combinations. We saw that do to all the problems related to twins that why not alow a single engine that made twin HP to be legal. HP is HP and they'll weight the 430lbs of the twin so why not. So your just a stupid as PD in your false claims.

Your dollar's spent on UAS racing is irellevent you stand at the fence and have all the answers I actually race.

I have about 15 actual hours and 800.00 in my unimprove 8,000 viewed lead sled. I've inspired how many new interests in UAS open kart racing with that thread???? you inspired what Diaper sales with all crying. you have how many hours and how much money in your junk that can't win.

You get on every Wankle thread and cry like a small child And I'm no good for UAS racing. That's funny.

I don't ask anyone to change their engines YOU do!! The 6,7,8 or more people who spent 6,000.00 a piece on their choice of a Wankle (if you have your wish) have to sell off their engine and go buy something different CAUSE YOU can't keep up. NICE.

Again thanks for all you do in UAS OPEN kart racing your a real prize.

If you intend yto race UAS in 2010 you'll be up against real drivers with different engine combinations in 2011 I hope you have a big note book for all the engines you want Banned. you better stay home cause your dollars won't buy wins anywhere outside your comfort zone.
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I Went Head To Head Against The Best. You Have No Clue Who Has Been In A (rick Sullivan Racing) Prepaired Kart.and I Guarrentee You Every Single One Would Do It Again. Tell Us All Here And Now Your Wins At Big Shows. Lookout For Rsr In 2o1o Top 3 In Uas. You Heard It Here First..
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Old 10-31-09,, 12:17 PM
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Actually Rick we here in Florida added the big engines before the Wankle not becouse of it, We did so becouse more and more guys were trying to build twin engine combinations. We saw that do to all the problems related to twins that why not alow a single engine that made twin HP to be legal. HP is HP and they'll weight the 430lbs of the twin so why not. So your just a stupid as PD in your false claims.

Your dollar's spent on UAS racing is irellevent you stand at the fence and have all the answers I actually race.

I have about 15 actual hours and 800.00 in my unimprove 8,000 viewed lead sled. I've inspired how many new interests in UAS open kart racing with that thread???? you inspired what Diaper sales with all crying. you have how many hours and how much money in your junk that can't win.

You get on every Wankle thread and cry like a small child And I'm no good for UAS racing. That's funny.

I don't ask anyone to change their engines YOU do!! The 6,7,8 or more people who spent 6,000.00 a piece on their choice of a Wankle (if you have your wish) have to sell off their engine and go buy something different CAUSE YOU can't keep up. NICE.

Again thanks for all you do in UAS OPEN kart racing your a real prize.

If you intend yto race UAS in 2010 you'll be up against real drivers with different engine combinations in 2011 I hope you have a big note book for all the engines you want Banned. you better stay home cause your dollars won't buy wins anywhere outside your comfort zone.


Well said Tim
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Old 10-31-09,, 12:19 PM
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Not sure what that means, I race every weekend in Illinois, haha. Oh you gonna be racing tulsa this year, I would love to see some of those sweet driving skills you claim you have, oh an I wanna see you try an beat a wankle.
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Old 10-31-09,, 04:09 PM
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I Went Head To Head Against The Best. You Have No Clue Who Has Been In A (rick Sullivan Racing) Prepaired Kart.and I Guarrentee You Every Single One Would Do It Again. Tell Us All Here And Now Your Wins At Big Shows. Lookout For Rsr In 2o1o Top 3 In Uas. You Heard It Here First..

Pretty Bold statement there Mr. Sullivan..........not only is 1 of your karts gonna be champ but your gonna take the top 3 spots..........I think you just let the keyboard overload your behind...................While I'm sure some of your drivers in the past were-are very good,what have you done lately?Did any of your drivers finish anywheres near the top in the ranking the last several seasons?I'll admit that at 1 of the few races that I've competed in that you feilded karts in that your stuff was fast...........But I still aint impressed.........I've raced against many others that are as good as you think you are..............and they have alot better attitudes than you...JMO........Joe Torreyson 540-424-9669
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Old 10-31-09,, 04:46 PM
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No No Joe sorry 1 in the top 3 sorry. WOW NOT EVEN TIM COULD DO THAT CHAMP AND TOP 2. Keyboard is not the problem 10mph brain 15 mph finger..RICK SULLIVAN
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Old 10-31-09,, 04:55 PM
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Now the only question, who will be driving it, Jason Gibb, Ralph Woodward, Mike Clausen, Chris Gibb, or some other top driver? Come on Rick let the cat out of the bag?
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Old 10-31-09,, 06:48 PM
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Rick,

You are 100% correct......I like the way you think.....




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