when you pin the axle do you take the set screws out or leave them in
i just pinned both karts on the lr and lock collared the rr i took all the set screws out ; is that the way to do it
we run lock collars on the right side only,one on each side of the bearing hanger,lets it flex better.and if u get in a bad enough wreck it moves some and doesnt bend axles or tear much up.if u bend the axle that has been pinned its hard to get bearings off the axle.just seen that happen in kids class a week a go.pc
todd,when should that back tyrod,or whats the name im getting at here called.be tightened up.or leave it loose all the time.the one behind the seat on the frame.name that to please.not much talk about what that thing actually does.pc
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Re: pinning axles
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Originally Posted by P.C.kart6
todd,when should that back tyrod,or whats the name im getting at here called.be tightened up.or leave it loose all the time.the one behind the seat on the frame.name that to please.not much talk about what that thing actually does.pc
it should be somewhat loose, it is there for support of the left side rail, thats it
We call them toe links and XXX has it: it's there to provide lateral support for the LR. It's not an adjustment and it doesn't really affect the kart until you back it in the fence and then it's nice to have.
we run lock collars on the right side only,one on each side of the bearing hanger,lets it flex better.and if u get in a bad enough wreck it moves some and doesnt bend axles or tear much up.if u bend the axle that has been pinned its hard to get bearings off the axle.just seen that happen in kids class a week a go.pc
Lock the left side only, the brake side... you do not want flex or load to push the rotor into a pad scrubbing speed.
I have tested pinning/locking collars of the LR vs RR and both and have had other respond to the testing the collars with the same results. Couple years I used this as a tunning tool on dirt and pavement.
You can use a bolt or 2 lock collars to lock the bearing to the axle, often the bolt allows clearence on the LR screw jacker to move up and down correctly, just depends on application. They both do the same thing.
Usually you wanna lock the LR and use the RR as a tunning tool, by adding collars to the RR you apply more transfered pressure to the RR tire adding grip to the tire.
Adding grip to the RR tire is good for spec tire racing when the spec tire is a non prep brick, qualifying or on a dry slick track with alot of restarts, anytrack that ends up with long runs I don't like to use the collars on the RR.
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Adding grip to the RR tire is good for spec tire racing when the spec tire is a non prep brick, qualifying or on a dry slick track with alot of restarts, anytrack that ends up with long runs I don't like to use the collars on the RR.
Are you saying by having the RR locked over long runs, you may end up overworking the RR and it will give up on you in time?
If you were to only lock the LR in place, only the left rail would flex laterally right? And vice versa? Joe
The back end of a kart moves quite a lot when it loads up in the corner. When only one side is locked it will move all the more. When it's the LR that's locked you'll get misalignment on the order of 1/2" or more. Additionally, it is farily common for kart that can slide the RR bearing around on the axle to not plant the RR optimally getting in. Many won't notice this but it hurts speed.
So, using collars on the RR can be effective in freeing up the RR as opposed to pinning it? As long as the collars are set to have a bit of clearance off the bearing. Is this what I'm reading?But its still a balance game because a loose condition can come from an underloaded RR as well as an overloaded one?
So, using collars on the RR can be effective in freeing up the RR as opposed to pinning it? As long as the collars are set to have a bit of clearance off the bearing. Is this what I'm reading?But its still a balance game because a loose condition can come from an underloaded RR as well as an overloaded one?
Pinning and collars have the same effect, leaving space with the lock collars takes away the reason your using them.
Were not talking about a loose condition were talking about loading, there is less loading when you don't "tie in" the RR bearing.
I have had chassis that I have setup in many ways and could not get them freeied up turning in with too much RR bite, especially the buggies, took the collars off the RR and night and day differences.
If the kart is tight going in were giving up speed if you can't put it where you want it to pass.
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so what would you do for a flat kart with a cage on it (which the cage attaches with hiems and slides in and out of it self on the back) and uses a micro wing? lock collar the lr and leave the rr alone or what? a common problem with these is they hop very bad sometimes depending on track, tires, and setup. the high hp from the open engines doenst help either.
looking for a good base to start with the collars. i am used to pinning the lr and putting collars on the rr with maybe a 1/16" off the bearing for space.
