Eric Yes we have Crash/Spin fests and yes I can't count high enough to tell you how many newbies i have or have tried to Help. Most of the time I offer help i get a funny look as to what i have told someone, or i get the " your not telling me the truth line". Anyone who knows me very well at all can tell you i will not intentionally lead someone the wrong way, I may not always be right but i will give an honest answer.
To be honest Eric the very Best in the Midwest do not even race the UAS and also have no desire to from the shows they have heard about, been to, or read about on this forum. I am in the middle and have to travel no matter where i go to race as there is nothing any closer then 2.5 hrs from my house. In my home state IOWA we race a majority of our races green to checkers, without major incidents.

I have tried to gain people for sponsoring the UAS then they go to a race, never to be heard from again.

The thing no one seems to talk about is how does the new guy get seat time? you don't have enough for the track to offer the support class, you turn him away at the gate for not enough seat time and he/she will be lost forever to somewhere else. Tell Me UAS administrators what do we do? You have 8 to 12 karts as it is and then you don't have enough to run the support class or it only has 3 or 4 karts in it. not very lucrative to get others or potential newcomers into the class to grow it. I myself do not really enjoy drive 4 hrs min. to get to the closest UAS show to race 5 to 10 karts, i like it even less when i can go 2 hrs the other direction race 10 to 15 karts and race green to checkers with maybe a caution.

Mike

Grady your the one who compared the wankle pipe to a F1 not me. Both are the result of expanding gases. the glowing pipe from a Wankle is the result of spent fuel out the exhaust port, (waisted efficeincy) that contineus to burn and expand, The wankle cannot use cam timing to control exhaust event's. the F1 has exhaust valves and a controled cumbustion chamber ( the engine builder can control the exhaust timing with duration, lift) the expanding gases used and tuned to create the velocity and control the sonic waves to produce such velocity is what is being done in a F1 exhaust. 2cycle engine builders use port timing and expansion chambers to control the the expanding or spent gases. the never ending discusions on pipe flex cone shape stinger size, port shape collision porting ect ect. a 2 cycle can control the lean burn to point of sticking the piston due to the lack of returned fuel from the pipe. In the wankle that is a funny looking expansion chamber on the that thing. LOL please explain the timing of that pipe and the effect of exhaust velocity in respect of complete cumbustion on a wankle and it's rotor. Are you going to force spent fuel back into the rotor chamber and when are you going to time this event Grady the rotor tip only moves in one direction. please educate me. The big difference Grady is the wankle pipe is glowing more becouse of a torching the pipe rather than controlled sonic velocity.

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Tim,
Do you not think that the ports in a Wankle, the plug position, and all other related issues are not placed where they are to help the efficiency of the engine.

Look, I realize that wankles have a history of getting poor fuel mileage for their displacement. The RX8 is a 1380cc engine producing 250hp, naturally aspirated. A 434ci Corvette engine makes a bit over 500. A wankle of comparabe size would be well over a thousand.

Maybe you are talking about combustion efficiency of a wankle. We are talking about a racing engine, not street cars. Who cares how much fuel it goes through. Have you ever seen the raw fuel pooring out of a 2-cycle? You stated that Wankles are inefficient.....compared to what? The thing has a relatively small displacement and it makes huge power per that displacement over an expansive band width. In ANY racing engine, that is an effect of an efficient package....relative to others. That is why the wankles in other racing organizations typically have to run against other engines well more than 3 times their size.

Now, if you want to talk about lift and duration, let's do that. The lift....are you joking, it is an open port. You don't have to worry about traveling around the face of a shrouded valve. Duration.....how long is the port relative to degrees of rotation of the rotor tip? That is the duration. Now, if you think that the wankle is glowing the pipe due to pipe being torched.....it would torch in one spot more than another and it would melt a hole in the pipe. The glow in a wankle migrates all the way back and into the muffler......even with cool air passing over it. It isn't because of combustion situation in the pipe. You would hear that as multiple backfires. What in the world would make you think the fuel would chose to burn in a pipe when it has a spark plug to ignite it in the combustion chamber? This isn't a post burner on a diesel engine.....to clean up air quality.

This whole aspect of this thread is because you said a wankle was not efficient. The only reason I posted any of this is to give you some perspective. You only want to view things through your eyes. Many times you are missing a huge part of the picture. Looking at things from various perspectives allows you the opportunity to expand your knowledge and understanding of things as it relates to a specific topic. Giving that a try instead of displaying a grumpy distain for others and exploding with name calling does what......make you feel good inside? It doesn't keep the conversation going in any direction of a positive nature.........

Diapers....you missed the whole point. You only wanted to hear the complaint because that is how you think. Look at it from another perspective. I wanted something to stop. I wanted our leadership to think about the excuses people gave for the change not being a big deal relative to weight. Well, if adding a few pounds wasn't a big enough deal to make it worthwhile, why was taking it off worth going against the VOTES of the administrators. Look, Mark made the rules. Everyone played by them. He changed the rules after he didn't like the outcome. Who is he to decide when he doesn't have the facts to back up his beliefs? The only facts we have is that in the last 3 races that I know of that the wankle particpated in, they have SPANKED everyone to the point they could have lapped everyone or they did....sometimes more than once.

The whole point is not to bash the wankle. The point is to create a class where no one engine dominates. The wankle powered karts are dominating and NO ONE can dispute that right now. No 250 single or 450 single has come close. Sure they might have straight line HP but you have to have a package that will allow you to keep and maintain momentum AND the application of power is key to that. This is where the wankle is king. That is fine BUT the UAS participants need something that they can have that will overcome this deficit the wankle produces.

Yes, I did propose the wankle be banned so that the admins could VOTE on it. I removed that proposal for something a bit more sane. This means, CLEARLY, that I do not want the wankle banned. I do feel it has a great advantage though. Application of power and band width is clearly it's advantage. I feel we should have something that can take advantage of it in some way, if possible. I am working on one component.......but the wankle will have it one day as well so we need something more.

My thoughts,
Mike Grady

Mike reading all that crap put's me to sleep.


I think your on crack or or something you've skewed every point made nonsensical ramblings and are so far off in your premises and presumptions it's mind blowing.
If the Wankle engineering is so fricken awesome and great and power efficeint. Then Why Mike the know it all Grady didn't they make the friken engine 125cc's instead of 294cc????????? why Mike how come??????.

1. your the one claiming superior efficency for the Wankle not me. It's just another internal cumbustion engine to me it's been put in competition with 294cc against 125cc and it wins go figure. I promote the 250cc 2cycle and 510 4 cycle to cheepen the cost of racing while taking the displacement advantage away from the Wankle. we won with that arguement.

2.Glowing pipe and torching your all wet again Mike just take a look at a radiant heat system and explain the torche effect of blowing a flame in one end of a tube and it caring the heat threw the entire length of the tube.

3. you need diapers cause you 444 rule got thrown out and you don't like it. The weight rule was wrong now that the 255/510 are legal against the wankle it's fixed so sorry for you. Mark's not a thief a crook and Eric has no Ill effect on the UAS your just childish.

4. the 255/510 just became legal and your making like it's a big deal they haven't won yet. holy crap Mike what a real good job doing on track comparisons there buddy.
Charlie Stoffa got run down and passed by a 450F this past season Charlie driving a Wankle. It's been over a year with Charlie working the kinks out of the wankle he's had success your crying like a small child. One 450 shows up and passes his hard work and you acknowlage 0.

It'll take some time for the 250's and 450's to get developed kart specific, untill then you'll preach your stupid crap. we'll all have to hear it till a 250 or 450 wins a good event with good comparable talent. till then the Sudam will still win more UAS races than any other engine package out there. so cry away Mikey cry away. I see oppertunity's for great racing you see nothing but black holes and mystery therorys'.

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Brian Montgomery's new old Sachs wankle entry for 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO25...feature=related


Go get em Brian LOL


Mike Grady and the torch like exaust of the wankle engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gCs...feature=related

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Old age must really be getting to me! I thought I remember someone sayin they were done talking about that new fangled machine. My bad, I guess.

"The power output of an engine equals the size of the bangs, times the number of bangs per minute that you can manage to get."

- Keith Duckworth - Cosworth Engineering

Cosworth is the legendary engine manufacturer responsible for multiple Formula 1 world championships and many other racing successes. I couldn't help but supply this quote after the earlier mention of F1 exhausts and such.

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Eric,
There is a HUGE difference between your "quote" and what I said. While Mark may own the name, that means NOTHING without the reason to have it. That is the the racer. That is why he created administrators and the points they should command so that the RACER is sufficiently represented. The second he went out on his own, without the physical evidence to back his "beliefs", he damaged what HE put in place to offer fairness to the racers. As I stated before, without the racer, the UAS is nothing more than a piece of paper.

Tim,
My initial comparison of efficiencies was between a 2-cycle and a wankle. I never stated that a wankle was super efficient. Your fabrication skills are working overtime again.
PS: I appolgized for my "crook" comment. When I believe I am wrong, I at least attempt to admit it. Thankfully, I am still open minded enough to examine things before and after I come to conclusions.

Everyone,
This is a thread about a true unlimited class. I doubt anything close to that will ever happen BUT it can most certainly be more unlimited and more even at the same time.
Grady

Mike, My memory isn't what it used to be. In fact I can't even remember what it used to be. But I did kinda watched to see if you would Say to Mark," I am sorry for calling you a crook, I was wrong." I don't think I saw anything like that. I do remember something like what the definition of a crook was or something like that. Ain't tryin to **** you off, but you said if you were wrong you'd attempt(Which may be the catch word) to admit it. I haven't seen it. If you did, than I owe you an appoligy. Steve Windle

Swindle,
That's alright. It was post 27 of this thread. I will say it again though. I believe I misjudged Mark's intentions some. I do not believe that his primary reason for the rule change was to open opportunities for himself to import an engine. I don't know why he included anything like that in his e-mail and it did throw me off. In any case, I called him a crook. I appologize for that. I called him to see what his thinking was on the change and he stated he did not want to talk about it....it was done, that is it. He repeated himself. I reread the e-mail and then I jumped to conclusions that may have never have been there. I would say in all honesty, I let me feelings get in the way. I kinda expected the Executive administrator to be open to explain his thoughts to any of the members of the UAS. The more I thought about it, the more I wanted to see the worst senerio. After seeing the rule it is now and seeing that it doesn't fit either of the initial proposals, it became clearer that the intention was to compromise between the two. I still don't like how it was done but that does not excuse my actions with regards to any name calling. I broke my own rule and more importantly, I probably hurt my message because of it. The key is to attempt to right my wrong. I am compelled to do the right thing no matter what. In this case, that is to take a step back.

Mark,
I appologize for calling you a "crook".
Mike Grady

Then I appologize to you, Sorry, I didn't remember it like that. Steve Windle Sr.

im sorry i started reading this thread, damn it does feel better to get that off my chest.

When is someone gonna' do a comparative dyno of the Wankel and Sudam at the same time, under equal conditions? Might just explain a few things.

And a "HOT" rotary.

I am waiting on an opportunity to do just that. I hope to include the latest and greatest from Buller, a JR Billet engine and a modified wankle. I plan to measure the acceleration rates of each, measuring not a given rpm range but a more direct comparison of accelerating the enertia wheel from a given starting rpm to an ending rpm. Doing the same thing for each engine will be an exact, real world, comparison. That is what I want to see. If anyone has an engine they are willing to donate for these purposes, just contact me. I will pay for shipping back and forth to the dyno and provide you with a sheet per your requests, due to the fact the acceleration rates may not be what you want.
Thanks,
Mike Grady

Swindle,
That's totally OK. It is easy to miss something in this mess. It seem most of the threads have something to do with the wankle so you gotta keep up with all of them to be sure you get everything that is said.......and that is just too much of a hassle.

Everyone,
I guess the only reason why I keep posting to express my thoughts and to give a view that opens the doorway to what is being said to me by others.....good and bad. Even I wonder if it is really worth it. I am disappointed right now with the way things are. Most of that is due to the way things were handled. I was asked by Eric, "what have you done for the UAS?". You know, with the way things are now, there isn't much a member CAN DO. That goes for administrators as well. I see this whole deal as a micromanagement of their duties.

I would like to mention again that I feel the initial vote was wrong anyway. It was clearly stated in the rules that new series would not have a vote their first year, yet some did. The whole reason for that rule was to take the "rookie factor" out of the voting process. The UAS is not following their own rules! That is a leadership issue. Mark doesn't want to talk about it. What is a member to do but voice it on here?

I wouldn't post if I didn't care..........
Mike Grady

Who's your Insurance with? I thought Insurance didn't cover racing.